EDITING OUR WEBSITE

Since our classes centered around civic discourse, we used these principles in discussing the web pages and how they should be completed. I had first come up with a rough draft of the site and presented it to both classes as something to work from. Both classes discussed it, then after the discussion, Mike Hanley of the 12:15 class, and Greg VonBeck from the 3:15 class modified the draft I presented. When both classes had rough drafts ready, I sent this message to both classes:

Subject: Re: web page suggestions:

On Mon, 16 Nov 1998 jvan@asu.edu wrote:

Hello all,

As of now we have two drafts of our web page. One was submitted by Mike Hanley from the 12:15 class, the other by Greg VonBeck from the 3:15 class. I think they have both done amazing work. We will soon need to make a decision about how to proceed with the page. This is part of your mid-term work: Please view both pages and comment. Give a claim and reasons. For example, I propose we do X, because (see list of options below)

Response should be approx 1/2 to 3/4 of a page. Formal proposal argument structure, using plan,examples, etc. send your proposals to both classes via email. PLEASE READ TO THE END OF THIS POST BEFORE STARTING TO WRITE.

12:15 page address: http://www.public.asu.edu/~mjhanley.eng.htm

3:15 page address: http://aspin.asu.edu/~greg/english

Here are some options: 1) integrate elements from both of the drafts into one webpage. 2) Choose one of the pages and go forward with it 3) a combination of 1&2 : Choose one page and incoroporate elements from the other page. 4) Maybe each class will want their own page with a simple new front page

Can you think of other options? We will be voting on this within the next week, so we need to think about it and come up with a plan. When thinking about the design and content of the page consider what kind of message we want to send, think of ethos, pathos, logos. How do we want to appear? What are we privileging, what are we leaving out (if anything)?

April Lonigro, 3:15

Okay, here are my thoughts on the web page; I like the 12:15 one the most because of it's colors and interesting backgrounds. It is bright and colorful and easy to read. However, as you move to each type of essay, use the 3:15 titles with the different picture and title. This would replace the picture of the rocky mountains. If we decide to use the 3:15 web page the items in the menu need to be a different color because once you have selected them they are too dark to read. Good job to both of the students that created these web pages. You have made our task easier! Thank You! --April Lonigro

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I like the web page for our class better than the 3;15 class. I think that all the pages should togather. Also i don't like the colers of the 3:15 it looks like to much green. I relieze that it is the environment and that it should be green but blue is such a better color. One thing that I think should be incorporated into the final page which ever one we use. I really like the fact that there are seperate pictures on each of the seperate issue's on the 3;15 issue, espeicially the woodchuck or what ever that is. Speaking of pictures i also like the Rockie Mountains, much better than the old oak tree. I also like the java script on the left side of Mike's page, espeicially how they disort when the pointer is on them. It is a nice touch to the page. I like some of the stuff on both of them I think that we should try to combine some of the traits of the 3;15 page with the base of the 12:15 page.

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From: sneed69@imap3.asu.edu Received: from email2.asu.edu by asu.edu

I am bias because I am in the 12:15 class, I have the utmost confidence in my classes ability to create the web page. We have ample suggestions for change and we have pleanty of people with the skills to formulate this idea. Ours was better because it was easier to read by the colors and organization. Our links are better also I found it easier to get to the specific topic that I wanted to investigate.

On Tue, 17 Nov 1998 aprilasu@imap4.asu.edu wrote: >

Okay, here are my thoughts on the web page; > I like the 12:15 one the most because of it's colors and interesting > backgrounds. It is bright and colorful and easy to read. However, as you move > to each type of essay, use the 3:15 titles with the different picture and > title. This would replace the picture of the rocky mountains. If we decide to > use the 3:15 web page the items in the menu need to be a different color > because once you have selected them they are too dark to read. > > Good job to both of the students that created these web pages. You have made > our task easier! Thank You! --April Lonigro

From: masona@imap3.asu.edu

I I think both web pages are very impressive. I propose that we combine to two formats; i like the changing pictures at the top of greg's page with the java script titles on Mike's. They show it's the same page yet slightly different, which is what i believe we are going for. It would bring a certain continuity that the page is missing. In addtion, the 12:15 background is a bit busy. It tends to distract the reader. By the way, where the hell did digger come from? Why is this digger's journal? I thought we could vote on the journal. Who is the person who thought of this name? Why didn't we decide if we need to vote on everything else?

( Mason Arnold: Arizona State University Undergraduate Student, College of Public Programs )

From: san9382@imap4.asu.edu

I believe that both students have done a good job with the proposed webpages. Both of the sites have interesting points and I think that we should combine the two. Overall, Mike's page is more appealing because of the color scheme and the "professional" appearance due to the java script on the left and the set-up of the entire home page. From the 3:15 class's page we should take the photos from the tops of the the indivual links, such as air issues and water issues and implement them with Mike's design. With a collaborative effort between the two classes this environmental site will be appealing and worthy of looking into to anyone on the internet who shares these concerns or wants to learn more about the environment.

From: mjhanley@asu.edu

Mike Hanley English 102: I propose that we integrate both websites into one comprehensive, cohesive web site which uses the pictures from the 3:15 class and puts them at the top of the 12 15 website. This will get rid of the upper frame, which will make the web site easier to look at. I think the use of the sidebar menu is still the best option. Most websites have the sidebar; however, only a few use frames. Although I've seen the sidebar being cut off by some computers (esp. Mac's), I think it's still the best way to go to keep the website easy to read. The backgrounds are keeping with the environmental theme; the one under the sidebar is of water, and the one under the mountain picture is of the clouds. If we take the pictures from the other web site and then just use the clouds background (thus replacing the rather drab blue marble background below the mountain picture) I think we'll have a good looking website!

From: liquid60@imap4.asu.edu

I think we should use some elements from both: 1.) The graphics on MJHANLEY's is cool 2.) I like the way ASPIN's is organized, but we should use different different icons for each individual subject. 3.) To add to these, I think we should add highlighted articles on the side of the Home page. 4.) Most important of all is the home page, we have to construct an interesting Home page!!!

From: girlie1@imap4.asu.edu

Megan proposes that we the class take mike's page because mike's page is the best page. He uses better color and a better form. The only thing I liked about the other web page was the pictures and that would disinclude the the first picture because it is ugly. Some may feel that the other web page is better and that is simply because they have no taste. They might like their pictures and their colors better then mike page but mikes page is vibrent with colors of blue and beautiful crsystal whites that make such an incredible sight to look at. The only thing mike should do now is add some beautiful pictures of lovly animals and some nice environmental music and then mike's page will rule all.

From: crystal5@imap4.asu.edu

I propose that the web page the english 102 class uses Mike's web page because the organization is easier to read and is more visually pleasing. I think the web page made by Mike is easier to use because every option on the page is in sight without having to use the arrows up or down. The other web page's options are listed farther down the page. I was also impressed with the choice of color chosen by Mike's web page. The only thing I would like to see changed on Mikes web page is the picture. I liked the picture on the 3:15 classes web page of the tree. Crystal

From: cat13@imap4.asu.edu

As I looked through the two web pages there were different things that I liked about each one. I think that we should combine both the web pages and turn it into one for both classes. i liked the graphics and colors of mikes web page and i liked the facts on the side of greg's web page. i think the writing on mikes was really good i liked how it expanded when you moved the mouse to the side. i still think that more graphics need to be used and maybe even a different graphic for the header. i liked gregs little leaves as the markers for the different essays and places to search. basically goth web pages were good i just think that they need to be combined and take the strongest points of each web page which i have already said and use that to create one single web page that everyone's stuff is on. thanks for listening to this extremely boring essay. sorry that i do not have more innovative thoughts and ideas. thanks.

Anonymous sender:

I think that we should use the website created by Mike. I like the layout. It is easier to read since you don't have to scroll down for the essays. I also like the picture and font used on this page. The other page had the old english writing wich did not fit nicely with environment issues. A different picture should be placed on each essay. It should be chosen by the writer and deal with whatever subject is being dealt with. on the section where the essays are listed a bullitin should mark each essay. This would also draw interest from readers. So far everything that I see on the webpage I think we should keep. A few things should be added, but the colors and organization so far look wonderful.

From: sungod@imap4.asu.edu

I think the page constructed by the 3:15 class is the best. I like how they set up a different picture for each individual topic. I love the picture of the little cute animal. I love animals so I want the page with the adorable animal on it. Using leaves as bullets to the topics of the web page is an interesting idea. One problem, it has a dull home page. That green space to right needs to be covered. Other than that, I like the 3:15 design. Erica Ford

From: kash40@imap4.asu.edu

James proposes that we use a little of both of them. I like Mikes because he has a better cover page but I also like the way Greg has different pictures for the different sites. As in the way Greg has a mongoose or whatever that thing is when you access the site on animals. Over all though I like Mikes better. I has a variety of clors which catches the eye, as with Gregs all you see is that ugly lone tree with this boring shade of green. Some people may like the bland green color but i feel if you look at it for to long it will put you to sleep. I also do not like the stupid leaves for the headings on each issue, the leaves are hard to see and they kind of look like a bunch of dead birds laying on the ground. Greg makes it look to much like a boring English class. Mikes site is more upbeat and I don't feel like I'm back in the 70's looking at it. Mikes page does need some more pictures and I like what Megan said about the backround music. I like the way Mikes site is relaxing to the eye with out putting you to sleep. The colors attract you to the site and they make you want to look at it. The other site you look at and think "This is boring and it is waisting my time.

From: poopon@imap4.asu.edu

I think both web pages are outstanding and appreciate the effort on both Greg's and Mike's parts. I think we should integrate the better aspects of both webpages. I like the colors and graphics of Mike's webpage. I like the pictures for Greg's webpage. I think there should be a different picture for each link. I also like Greg's page for the fact that it offers more links (i.e. "Other Environmental Issues" and "Links to other environmental webpages".) I think this aspect should be incorporated into the final page. The definition of the "diggers" should be legible. It is too small on Mike's page. In summary, I guess I prefer the look of Mike's page and the content of Greg's page.

From: Tito Brown

From a non biased position, I believe that we should go with the http://www.public.asu.edu/~mjhanley/eng.htm page from the 12:15 class. I feel that the colors need a little work, but their is a lot of room to expand. The use of java on the side frame is a good idea and makes our page look more professional. The links are a lot more easier to use on the side and do not change colors after you click on them. Having them change colors causes it to become hard to read. I also believe that the 3:15 classes page is good as well. They have a nice color design, that looks nice. The problem is the links are hard to read after you click on them. I do like the way he used the text over the pictures, that was a good idea. The oppositions view is that the 3:15 classes page appears better on the computers. I can make a rebuttal to this by saying that both pages appear to look a little "messed up" on the computers. In conclusion, I believe that we should go with Mike's page because it looks a little more profession and it is more user friendly.

From: sneed69@imap3.asu.edu

I am all about incorperating everybody's efforts to create the best posible web page both pages have good ideas, if we use the best parts from both of them we will come out with the best possible outcome. I responded in another message but what I said is that i think that the 12:15 web page is cloce to perfection with a little work needed on the links. The better we organize the easier information retrieval will be. Our page is easily read and has pleanty of info we are lacking some pictures that would add to the aesthetic quality of the web page. I have all the confidence in the world that my class has enough skills and information to create the best possible web page. If we could have a picture for each quick pick or link that would also make everything look better and may help some people find their topic for investigation better. I propose that we use our web page and take the best ideas from the other class to help illustrate all of our ideas because this page will be constructed of all of our ideas, and they should have the right to have some say in what the page look's like. If we could get our classes together to discuss this as a group nobody would feel left out, and everybody could represent what they deem as most important. I know it would be hard to get all of our classes together so maybe a small group for each class could represent the group as a whole. Just as long as everybodies ideas are listened too and incorperated nobody should be upset and the page will look great. _______________________________________________________________________ From: kadasu@imap3.asu.edu

From: gregvb@asu.edu

Hey Mike this Is greg, If were going to do what the class wants to do we should probably colaberate. in my opinion the webpage that the class would be happy withWould use your page and incorporate my graphics... Mostly we can use your frames setup (eventhough I'm not a big fan of frames. You can take the pictures from the top of my web page and incorperate them in yours there by getting rid of that top frame. In the side Bar make sure scroll="false" and I would like to do a bit of work on your buttons, just make them more centered. I'll leave them looking the same, they'll just expand a little nicer. If you want I can make a onclick picture to, but that's probably not nessesary. use the water and the clouds as backgrounds and remove the blue marble background like you suggested I believe. When we bring up a page with a paper on it I would suggest a new browser window. There by seperating it from the main page. I would also not use a picture background with the papers. see what you can do and makesure you read the things from my class too. If people think that we shouldn't use the tree picture on the home page, I can get you a picture that looks mostly like yours, but hasn't been streched so badly and has the Digger's Journal title on it. Oh and remember that we should have another sectoin on your site suchas other, because mine doesn't fit under anything else (nuclear waste disposal) and there will be others. Greg PS. Ms. Van I won't be in class today because I'm not feeling well at all, flue i think. anyways, this is my idea on how to please both classes. you can send this to both classes if you want or let

From: Shon Belcher:

First, I thank both of our classmates for taking the time and initiative to provide our class the opportunity of composing an original web page. The different styles expose important differences in purpose and composition, which if combined can furnish our classes with an optimal medium to display our works. Both pages are missing a fluid transition between their image and their purpose. The digger image has some wonderful possibilities, but the environmental connection with our web page and the "digger" movement needs to be elaborated under the image, through text. From this connection we can incorporate Mike's visual display of the subjects and compositions, which are both colorful and visual stimulating. The shifting imagery used in Greg's page could be connected to the page's contents with a "quick pick" or clip art image representing individual subjects or compositions. The background would best be kept under the environmental theme (clouds, mountains, water, etc.) which provides overall continuity to our theme. My last proposal is to rework the page's color scheme, as the current combination becomes muddy and difficult to read once an item has been selected. If these additions and corrections can be made, and both classes can find a meeting point to incorporate their pages, I believe we may have the opportunity to display our work for the semester in a professional manor. SIGNED SHON

From: neb777@imap4.asu.edu

First of all I was only able to access one of the web page designs, which was gregs from the 3:15 class. This was the one I did however like the best. I believe the Diggers Journal is the best web page design because it is very user friendly, has great graphics, and the lay out of information is attractive. I also think both classes should use the same so that twice as much information is available to the readers in one spot. To begin with the page is very user friendly and therefore will allow users to easily run through the information they want to view. The introduction to the Diggers Journal is a good one along with the part about the 17th century english radical movement. It really sets the stage and intent of our articles. I also like the side menu of options so that you can easily jump from one section to another. Also the web page has some great graphics to compliment the layout and information contained. I really like how the each subtopic and link has its own picture at the top of each page. I really dig the graphics on the main page and the land-use planning isues. The last reason why I think both classes should use gregs web page design is because the layout of the information is attractive. This does combine and interwine good graphics, good icons and links, and beign user friendly. If a person viewing our page has to try to hard to understand the layout and information contained then the page loses potional future environmentalists.

From: ryno07@imap3.asu.edu

I, still, think that we need to combine the two pages together. Each page has good and bad qualities and in order to make this a great page is to combine the two. I like the front page of the 12:15, especially when the window is large, if it is small the scrolls on the side are annoying. If we combine the guy from 3:15 links with a common background to the first one it will look great. The different pictures on each page make it look sharp. I don't think the page should be a compitition, but a compromise. Good job boys, Ryan ########################################################################## # Ryan Robinson (aka Ryno) ryno07@imap3.asu.ed # # Arizona State University www.public.asu.edu/~ryno07 # Major: Secondary Ed/Bus Go Devils, M's, & S-Hawks# # "Drive for show, Putt for dough!" # ##########################################################################

From: caustin@imap4.asu.edu

Chris Austin English 102 11-17-98 Web Site Analysis: I propose that we integrate both of the web sites. Both the 12:15 class and the 3:15 class web pages have distinct characteristics that if combined could improve the overall effect of the web site. If we use some of the background from the 12:15 class with pictures that were provided in coordination with 3:15, I believe that web site will yield the highest quality. The ability for the site to be user friendly is a very important aspect of this web site. The 3:15 web site is more user friendly, the headings of the different types of essay are very easy to read, and also makes them more accessible than the other site. If I had to make a choice between the two sites, I would chose Greg's because the overall appearance of the site is more appealing to the eye. This is not to say that I did not enjoy the other and the Greg's is flawless. The combining of both would serve the needs of the class the best.

From: jduitman@imap4.asu.edu

I propose that we use the web page from the 12:15 class, but integrate several aspects from the 3:15 web page into it. Overall, I liked the 12:15 web page the best, but there were some features of the 3:15 web page that I also liked. I think that we could incorporate several features from the 3:15 web page into the 12:15 web page. For example, I really liked how for each topic there was a different picture. The 12:15 web page was lacking in diversity, I think. If we could use the different pictures from the 3:15 page and incorporate them into the 12:15 page, I think it would really brighten up the page considerably. I also really like the colors from the 12:15 web page. I think that the banner on the left side might be a little too dark, but other than that I like it. I think that both gentlemen did a great job in designing these two web pages, and I think that if the best qualities from the 3:15 page are incorporated into the 12:15 page, we will have ourselves a fine web page.

-Jennifer Duitman

From: bko13@imap4.asu.edu

Brian Ohlinger JVAN T, Th 3:15 Web Pages Diggers Journal: I think we should integrate both ideas because I like both web sites. I like some ideas from each site. I like the pictures in both. I think the web needs to be extremly user friendly. I think the way the 12:15 web site is set up a little better than the 3:15. The site seems to be a little more colorful and original. I like the pictures on the 3:15 better. I think the begining page is the most important. I think it needs to be very colorful and mysterious to draw others interest into the web page. The 12:15 site does that a little bit better, but both could use some improvement in making the web site a little more mysterious. I like the use of dark colors. I think it makes the web page more mysterious. I also like the idea of having a index. I think it makes it much easier to view the material that a person wants to. Overall, I like both pages and think that both are done really well. I would also like to have an outside opinion on the web pages so that they are judged fairly.

From: Bordeauxjl@aol.com

I propose that we combine the best elements of each page to create one exceptional page. Let's use the scroll bar effect of hanley's page. It is interesting and eyecatching, the effect of the letters changing when double clicked on is great. However, I think we should go with greg's pictures to head each subcategory. It may seem easier to just choose one page, however the combined talents and efforts of both of these webpage designers will likely create the best webpage. I think it would be great to have many links on each subcategory too. Also, any additional graphics will only enhance the readers enjoyment of our page. Therefore, the efforts of these two page designers combined will create the best webpage. Jacquelyn Bordeaux

From: tunlvisn@imap3.asu.edu

My Position on the Web sites: When it comes to web sites, one looks for content, ease of use, and balance in color and placement. The more visually pleasing the site is, the more likely one will return to it. Our web site will be primarily concerned with content, what is in it. Our site should contain a degree of ethos, pathos, AND logos. Above all should be logos. The environment is, to most, a scientific study, one with emotional undertones, but a science none the less. That does not mean, however that it should not be fun to look at and play around on. Since the actual content on both pages will be the same, I will not cover that subject where our web site is concerned. The content I refer to in this paper is that of pictures. In his site, Mr. Von Beck uses different pictures at the top of each different subject page. I like this; it takes away from the tedium of text alone. I also like, however, how Mr. Hanley uses the picture from the cover page to tie the subject pages to the same web site. I do not think this is necessary however, since the format on the subject pages is similar enough to the cover page to let the visitor realized that he is on the same site. Both are very easy to use. Mr. Hanley's page downloads a little faster because, I think that he does not use a separate picture for the subject pages. I would like to see a search engine on the site. On that could search for other links on the web, and maybe able to use for cross-referencing the site itself. The color and placement of Mr. Hanley's page is very aesthetically pleasing. I like the whole water thing. It takes me back to the womb if you will. Also it is relatively centered. Mr. Von Beck's page is unbalanced. It makes me lean to the left. Colors are important also. I like the blue/white versus brown/green - personal preference I guess. Both are very admirable web sites, but I think that we should go with Mr. Hanley's layout, and use Mr. Von Beck's idea of different pictures for the different subjects.

Gregory S. Peterson

From: McSeinfeld@AOL.COM

I propose that the format and professional appearance of Mike's web page in the 12:15 class, is the way to go. It is very well done and has a nice color scheme. Some might complain that it is a little busy, but I think it is just informative and full of interesting features. In the 3:15 class, the facts on the side of the page are nice, maybe we could incorporate them into Mike's page. The picture on the homepage is good, though I liked the original tree better. The overall design of the web page in the 12:15 is effective and should be used in the 3:15 class, as well.

-Jason McLaren 12:15 TTH