On Oct. 22, I asked both classes if they wanted to do a web page. I asked them to give me reasons why they wanted an ezine,and reasons why they would rather not do the project. I said that I would drop the second portfolio letter if we decided to do the web page because creating a web site would require more collaborative work and this can be time consuming.

Date: Thu, 22 Oct 1998 13:06:19 -0700 (MST) From: mjhanley@asu.edu To: jvan@asu.edu Subject: Why we SHOULD have a website

Hey now,
I think we should have a web page because:

1) It takes the place of another paper to write

2) It's relatively easy

3) It will post our information for all to read on the internet

4) We can add pictures to our text which could improve our grades

I've got experience in web design and HTML code so I can be of help if needed.
That's my two cents.
Mike

Date: Thu, 22 Oct 1998 13:07:21 -0700 (MST)

From: spadams@imap3.asu.edu To: jvan@asu.edu

I beleive that we should put the papers in a web page, not that it will ever matter but by some freak of nature somebody down the road wants to look at our work they will be up there. I would be worried that the next paper coming up, the position paper could be falsly authoritative. What happens when the actual authority on the subject that we just took the authority on looks at it, then that would blow the credabitlity for the rest of the group, but I still think that it would be a good idea to put it into a web page. I do think that it would be a good idea for all of us to learn how to create a web page. It would be a very good skill to have. I don't think that anybody in here could argue that knowing how to do that would be bad skill to have.
There's a little bit of fruitcake left in everyone of us. -Jimmy Buffet

Have you every noticed that the people that are always telling you to grow up never learned to fly. -Unknown

Although i support the idea of having our own web site, i feel our credibility will questioned. We are far from experts on each of our subjects and proposing solutions to such large matters makes us seem ignorant. None of our issues can be solved in a 3-5 page paper for English 102. My issue, specifically, the Columbia River Estuary, is much larger than just me. There are volumes of literature, studies, proposals, financial interests, and countless other factors that go into maintaining the Columbia River System. In addition, experts on these subjects will scoff at my ideas, based on a short freshman year paper. I'm sure you can understand my hesitation.

( Mason Arnold, Arizona State University Undergraduate Student: College of Public Programs ) masona@imap3.asu.edu

Date: Thu, 22 Oct 1998 13:08:50 -0700 (MST) From: sneed69@imap3.asu.edu To: jvan@asu.edu

Sam feels that this web page would be a good thing to do the only question is who is going to read hundreds of college kids ideas? If we could find a way to summarize and coordinate the like article, and put all supporting and opposing positions together. it would enable the disorganzed reader to find the ideas he or she want's to write about.

I think we should have a web page because we did it in my previous english class and it was big fun. Their is a growing trend to publish essays on the world wide web, so we should keep up with technology. The page should be organized by topics, which will be listed on the main page with links to each individual essay. We can even decorate it with pretty pictures if we want. It will also provide information to people on the web that are interested in our topics.

-Jason McLaren

Megan thinks that the website is a good idea because it can teach many interested people in the area of environmental issues. It can also show what college students feel on the situation of these issues. Maybe this can even give others ideas into helping the environment and also giving some intution to others.

Megan feels the website is not a good idea because many people are not familiar with websites and this would be extremly difficult to do. It could also be a waste of space, maybe people would not want to read this.

Megan thinks the site should be very bright and colorful to draw attention and keep people reading it. There should be many pictures and fun looking things to keep the attraction.

Date: Thu, 22 Oct 1998 13:13:41 -0700 (MST) From: kadasu@imap3.asu.edu

I think that the page should include one essay from each student(wich ever one they feel is the best). They should be organized by subject. Since all of our essays have to do with the environment, pretty little pictures of trees, animals and all sorts of natural things should be on the page. All of the essays could have a bullitin that pertains to their topic. All of the essays should have illistration, it just makes the page more interesting. Another idea that I think would contribute pizzaz to the web page would be an opinion section where students could write what they were not able to put into their papers.

Date: Thu, 22 Oct 1998 13:13:50 -0700 (MST) From: crystal5@imap4.asu.edu

I think that we should do the web page because it is something different. It would be a good learning experience in terms of computers. It would be interesting to see other peoples essays and to learn more on all aspects of the environment with solutions and various points of views. I no comment about how the page should look.

Date: Thu, 22 Oct 1998 13:16:38 -0700 (MST) From: liquid60@imap4.asu.edu

The two-class newsletter:

1.) I think we should consider the content. Start off by listing all topics that were writen about, then categorize them by subject. Then we should take the "best" two or three and include the in the paper.

2.) We should make a home page with pictures and links to go to seperate topics(the best three, said in #1).

3.) Also, should be included is a cover letter that explains our intentions with this website, and any other messages we would like to send to the reader(s).

Date: Thu, 22 Oct 1998 13:17:21 -0700 (MST) From: mirabal@imap4.asu.edu

I really don't mind if we decide to make a web page or not. My only concern is that if a professional comes to my web page to gain more knowlede about my particular subject he is not going to get very much information from a 3 page paper, not to mention the amount of credibility in a first year composition essay. The idea itself is a good one but I don't have too strong of a desire to do it.

Date: Thu, 22 Oct 1998 13:10:11 -0700 (MST)

From: CAMPBELL.RYAN@asu.edu

I think that the webpage should be broken up into general topics so that if i choose to read some of the papers i can have some what of a choice as to what it is that i am going to be reading and not have to pick a paper at random and just hope that it is of a topic that interests me. and i would also like to see some 'nice'colors.......thats all.

ryan m. campbell

12:15 tth

Date: Thu, 22 Oct 1998 13:23:32 -0700 (MST) From: lacutie@asu.edu

I think it would be a good idea for the two-class website, but there are some students, such as myself, that do not know how to create a web page. I am not quite sure if my idea for the web page is possible. If so, I think the instructors name and subject should be at the top of the page. A little intro. should follow stating the purpose for the web page and why we decided to base all our topics on environmental issues. Following the intro., we should separate the class times and all our names and the names of our topics, so when someone would like to read our essays or are interested in reading about the topic, it will be accessible.

The two-class website will be a good idea because it will allow those students who are willing to contribute and dedicate their time to help out the environment.


Magaly Yanez ENG 102 12:15

Now, the 3:15 students state their views on the website. They read the comments of the 12:15 class, and then this first student to post in the 3:15 replies to the first student to post in the 12:15 class.

Date: Thu, 22 Oct 1998 16:14:46 -0700 (MST) From: bbartell@imap3.asu.edu

I think web pages are a great idea and it would be cool to have one thats got our work on it, but at the same time I'm not sure if the material the I have is worthy of being posted up for everyone to look at. Although I think that I've done a good job of compiling information and writing my papers, I am far far far from an expert on what I am writing about and whether my paper should be put up for everyone to see is something I'm not real sure about.

On the other hand though, by doing the web page is does allow us to skip a writing assignment so I'm all for that.

It interested me to see which students replied to which posts.

Date: Thu, 22 Oct 1998 16:16:58 -0700 (MST) From: Andrey Shal sandrey@imap3.asu.edu>

To: lacutie@asu.edu

I personaly believe that the webpage Idea isn't too bad except that we need to focus more on writing our research papers/essays because there are quiet a few people who aren't really good at it (and I would include myself in that list), so the time that we take to write the paper is more important to us then creating a webpage which probably I could easilly build myself in a matter of hours, but I wish I could write good papers in the same amount of time and I believe that's the purpose of me taking this class cause it could be the last English class that I will ever take in entire life. :)

Anyways, whoever wants to do this webpage have fun :)

Andrey Shal

Date: Thu, 22 Oct 1998 16:19:23 -0700 (MST) From: gregvb@asu.edu

To: spadams@IMAP3.ASU.EDU

Greg von beck tth 3:15-4:30

The Idea to put our papers on the web seems reasonable. although i do not normal like my writing displayed, I think a web page would be a good calabration excersize. Much like a short storie book.

The web page should be a topic oriented setup. Spliting up things like pollution, land management, etc. Web pages Using pictures always look better, so some good pictures depicting these topics would work well.

Date: Thu, 22 Oct 1998 16:20:31 -0700 (MST) From: mpapillo@imap4.asu.edu

To: mirabal@imap4.asu.edu

As far as the web page is concerned, I feel that it will be beneficial for us as a class. I would like it to be very colorful and picture orientated. I think it will add a lot to teh page if we have pictures to go along with the papers.

I am looking foreward to working on this page because I never worked on building a web page before and I would like to learn how it is done. I hope that we can make the page very organized and easy to use. I don't know much about designing so it's hard to say what I would like to have it look like. I hope that we also have people in the class that are going to be willing to help in teh making of it because at this point, I would not be able to build one and/or design it.

Mickey

Date: Thu, 22 Oct 1998 16:21:06 -0700 (MST) From: aprilasu@imap4.asu.edu

To: masona@IMAP3.ASU.EDU

Dear Class,
I think that the web page is a good idea. Since this is a computer-aided class, I feel that we should be posting our work on the web using the computer. Since we have the access I think it would be a great idea as well as a wonderful learning experience. In the future you may be responsible for updating, creating or posting information on a web page for your employer so this would be a good start and give us all some experience. It will also replace our last paper and instead we would get to use our creative energies since these papers have not allowed for much creative writing.

A web page would be fun to create and it's easier to do than some may think. For all of you who are computer shy, don't be afraid, there are many people to help you and once you get started, it's fun! I say we do it,

April

Date: Thu, 22 Oct 1998 16:22:04 -0700 (MST) From: caustin@imap4.asu.edu

To: sungod@imap4.asu.edu

I believe that this website should be a collaboration of the work from this class. I also believe that each student should contribute to webpage in the same manner that they would contribute in the class. As far as my creative ideas at this point, I really only believe that the site should be visually appealing to readers and easy to use. I have never built a webpage, so I can not give any advice on the techinical stuff.

Date: Thu, 22 Oct 1998 16:25:19 -0700 (MST) From: shbelche@imap4.asu.edu

To: Michael J Hanley <mjhanley@asu.edu

The website has some wonderful possibilities, but it needs some form of organization. One of the best formats, depending on the kinds of topics, would be geographic location and impact. Another possibility could be organization via a tree of life. The idea begins with the trunk, formed by land, air, water,etc. Then the large branches, which might include forest,desert,jungle, national wonders, and other general entities. Then, the smaller branches which could include specific ecosystems, such as Sonoran Mtns., South American rain forest, certain river,etc. Then the leaves could represent individual entities, such as societies, animals, specific plants, and so on.

Date: Thu, 22 Oct 1998 13:10:11 -0700 (MST) From: CAMPBELL.RYAN@asu.edu

I think that the webpage should be broken up into general topics so that if i choose to read some of the papers i can have some what of a choice as to what it is that i am going to be reading and not have to pick a paper at random and just hope that it is of a topic that interests me. and i would also like to see some 'nice' colors.......thats all.

ryan m. campbell 12:15 tth

Date: Thu, 22 Oct 1998 13:17:47 -0700 (MST) From: kash40@imap4.asu.edu

I think we should make a web page. The reason I feel this is because we put so much effort into writing these papers why not have everyone be able to read it. I would make our papers worth writing and it would be kind of cool to see something that I wrote published. I would love to read someones paper and see me listed as a source. Haveing the web page would also leesen the "this is all just busy work" feeling.

If we deside to make a web page I hope it will be kind of flashy and easy to get to. I would like to have a lot of colors and a cool looking enviornmental picture with trees and stuff. All of the basic stuff should be linked together, like all the Greenhouse Stuff in the same general area. I am sure the web page will be cool any way it were to come out. My problem is I would not know how to help because I do not know that much about computers. I guess we will have to see what the final out come is. Good bye.

James Lukash 12:15-1:30

Date: Thu, 22 Oct 1998 13:19:29 -0700 (MST) From: spadams@imap3.asu.edu

I also think that if we do it there should be someway of getting it listed on web browsers, then people will get some exposer to it.
There's a little bit of fruitcake left in everyone of us. -Jimmy Buffet

Have you every noticed that the people that are always telling you to grow up never learned to fly. -Unknown

Date: Thu, 22 Oct 1998 16:17:22 -0700 (MST) From: jduitman@imap4.asu.edu

Last years web page, "The Full Cup" was very nice. A few things that we might

want to do differently are:

-give a brief summary of each paper so that one can read what the paper is about before actually viewing it

-have hypertext so that we can easily go to different environmental web sites from our web page

-we should make sure that the background is light enough so that we can read the text.

-we should come up with some sort of a catchy slogan or title for our web page. I don't have any great ideas on this one, sorry!

Date: Thu, 22 Oct 1998 16:19:26 -0700 (MST) From: neb777@imap4.asu.edu

well i was thinking:

-want to make a bold impact on readers or visitor to web site.

-maybe seperated by topics and subheadings, so can weave through info

-green logo, and funky design

-i did like how last class set up web page

-graphic design--> visually communicating impacts of technology on environment

-emphasis cycle or spiral connections

natalie borecki (eng 102, T&Th 3:15)

Date: Thu, 22 Oct 1998 16:20:06 -0700 (MST) From: jnp22@imap3.asu.edu

Joseph Pack TTH 3:15

I really like the idea of putting our articles on the web. It is exiting to be a part of the newest technology. I for one have never worked on a web page, and would like to learn. I do believe we should condense the articles though. It is hard to fairly grade more than one student on piece of work that both have worked on, yet I think it would be adventageous to work together to hopefully write quality reliable articles that would create a good resource for environmental and land use issues. There is a big Yea from here.

Date: Thu, 22 Oct 1998 16:20:59 -0700 (MST) From: ryno07@imap3.asu.edu

I think the web page is a good idea, not only because the last paper might be dropped but it is a good way to show that we learned something by sitting in front of these computers all semester. It also allows our papers to be seen by a bigger audience, personally I'm not sure if thats a good idea but I know there are a lot of good papers out there. I don't have many opinions on the design of the site. I haven't seen many that I don't like. The one the class before us did looked pretty spiffy. Well thats enough from me. Have a great day.

Ryan 3:15

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Date: Thu, 22 Oct 1998 16:22:52 -0700 (MST) From: cwein@imap3.asu.edu

I think working collabortively is a great idea. Because our topics are all interrelated it would be cool to do something grouped by topics. One thing that pops into my head is how the environment effects us all and what do we have to leave behind for our children. As part of humanity we are all interrelated and,I know it sounds corny but by writing these papers, we were in a way interrelated as two classes.

Visually, I like the look of turquoise lettering on black background. I haven't thought too much about design but it may be cool to do something like a tapestry with a thread pulling through. This would represesent the interconnectedness of all things in the environment. We are in a sense a woven tapestry or a rug full of different colors and if you pull a thread,the whole thing unravels and you end up staring at a white wall. I don't know how to represent this but it would be cool to get creative and try.!!That's all!!

Caroline W.

Date: Thu, 22 Oct 1998 17:42:57 -0700 From: James Chillemi <sae@asu.edu>

I think that having the paper on the internet would be a good idea since it would give other people opportunities to view our work. That could have an understanding of what we are doing and maybe even offer suggestions or ideas to help us improve our work. It will also be greatly accessible to the student of the work at anytime. If they need to work on the paper at a friend's house, they just hop on the computer and view it. Might be a bad idea because of people trying to plagarism or steal our work. I am pretty good with html on notepad and other things.

Date: Sun, 25 Oct 1998 11:34:36 -0500 (EST) From: Bordeauxjl@AOL.COM

Subject: web page
I think the web page is an excellent way for the English 102 students to build familiarity with the internet and web page building. Also, I think it inspires us, as writers, to do our best in our papers -- as we know it will be published on the webpage. Lastly, the web page is an opportunity to be creative and inventive, good traits to develop as we prepare to enter the work force.

Sincerely, Jacquelyn Bordeaux

Date: Thu, 22 Oct 1998 13:08:46 -0700 (MST) From: masona@imap3.asu.edu

Although i support the idea of having our own web site, i feel our credibility will questioned. We are far from experts on each of our subjects and proposing solutions to such large matters makes us seem ignorant. None of our issues can be solved in a 3-5 page paper for English 102. My issue, specifically, the Columbia River Estuary, is much larger than just me. There are volumes of literature, studies, proposals, financial interests, and countless other factors that go into maintaining the Columbia River System. In addition, experts on these subjects will scoff at my ideas, based on a short freshman year paper. I'm sure you can understand my hesitation.