MOORE NEWS Volume II June 25, 1997 Issue 31 - Part A SALUTATIONS A MOORE NEWS PICTORIAL SUPPLEMENT is being prepared for the month of June 1997. Details of the contents will be announced in early July. - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - JULIA MYERS (Will@kconline.com) shares her family's celebration with us. MOORE NEWS put her in touch with a new cousin BILL MOORE (Billbmoore@aol.com). Once all began comparing information, the celebration began. *****Champagne, balloons and fire works! Your information gave us the proof that Jesse Moore IS our Jeremiah's brother and that William Moore of Cedar Creek (Prince William County VA) IS their father! All week end the phones have been ringing as I proclaimed the news - also I have xeroxed copies and mailed them to my brother and cousins who have also been searching. Many years ago the Virginia State Library had sent us this material, but they did not send the part which gave the relationships. My brother is in the wilds of Mexico studying the Mayas - way back in at some little known spot. So, if the banditos don't get him, he will have the news this week end when he returns home. I, like you, Joyce, had to quit the fun of genealogy for awhile. You two are really far ahead of me - you have to know that my material is OLD - from before xerox, and even before my electric typewriter, which has been in it's grave for many years. Even as I look at the mess of notes, and mistaken assumptions which I've saved, I wonder if I really have anything to add to your info. I haven't looked at this for years, so THANK YOU for getting me into this again! I did spend the last two years on the William Moore near George Mason link, not realizing there were three William Moores in the same area at the same time. - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Watch soon for distribution of the Virginia Tax Lists of 1787. Our esteemed researcher, VERNA LERDALL (VLerdall@aol.com) has been busy these last few months, finding all of these county lists and extracting the Virginia Moores. - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - BILL MOORE ( Du Willy@aol.com) *****Please include in the newsletter a notice of the 1997 Moore Family Association meeting (Reunion). I got a notice from Robert H. Moore saying that the 1997 Moore Family Reunion will be at Christ First United Methodist Church, Abb's Valley, VA, at 1P.M., Saturday July 12th. Please bring your lunch. QUERIES JUDY ALLEY (JudyAlley@aol.com) *****A friend recently returned from Salt Lake City. She found a Peter Moore mentioned in an index to early land owners in Washington Co Tn in 1799. She said Washington Co had been part of Sullivan Co Tn which is where Peter's son Charles said he had been born in 1796. I would appreciate anyone having access to Washington/Sullivan County records and etc to keep an eye out for any mention of Peter or Jane Moore or the birth of their sons Ammon, Peter Jr, Henry or Charles. - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - JOSIE (Josie3@aol.com) *****Hello! I have been enjoying your Moore newsletter and have a query to post. Please include this in a future newsletter: Looking for the family of Willis Moore of Cumberland Co., NC, 1810. I would like to know his wife's name and names of his children. I believe he may be the father of my ggggrandmother, Clarkie Moore Segers. Willis Moore and family may have moved to Georgia or Alabama between 1815-1820. Please email Josie3@aol.com. - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - JOYCE BROWNING (JBrown7169@aol.com) *****An off line correspondent is attempting to discover information about the descendants of Gallahue Moore, born in 1787 in Henry Co VA (later Patrick) and died 11 Sep 1854 in Dade Co MO. He married Rhoda Lawrence in Surry Co NC on 25 Aug 1816. The Gallahue Moores moved with other Moores to Hawkins Co TN about 1830, and from there to Dade Co MO. They had eight children. If you have information about these children, please notify me. Many thanks. - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - LIBBA JOHNSON (libba@ebicom.net ) *****My ancestor, Joseph Moore, was b. 24 Feb 1740 New Kent Co, VA, d. 18 Mar 1791 Farmville, Prince Edward Co, VA. He married Sarah Ivy b. 29 Mar 1754. Joseph Moore was a Revolutionary War soldier from Virginia. Their children were John, Joseph Ivy, George, Thomas Ivy, Mary (Polly), Elizabeth, Sarah and Nancy. Any info on any of these people would be appreciated. My Moore line goes through the oldest son John and I have more info about him if anyone wants it. - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - ELEANOR MALLOY (EMALLOY@msn.com) *****Since there are so many new members and some new lines have opened up, I'd like to once again put out an inquiry on my g.g.g.grandfather. Elias Moore. I notice the name shows up in the June 4 entry of (either DuWilly or PattFulton, I'm not quite sure which), and I'd like to respond to it in particular with the info I have on my Elias, and extend the original Query. Most, if not all, of my family records occur in/around Nashville (Washington County) IL. The following comes from a Family Bible which has recently been passed down to me: Elias Moore married Permilia Stephens Jan 29, 1834. (She was 15 yrs old. I don't have birth or death dates on Elias.) They were parents of: Sarah E. Moore, b. Mar. 14, 1836; m. John Crabtree; 1 daughter Mary Ellen. Mary W. Moore, b. Dec. 12, 1839; m. William Huggins; 2 children: Sarah Adeline Huggins (Lyon); b. May 6, 1856 Elias Luther Huggins, b. June 4, 1860 Elias either died or divorced Permilia between 1839 and Sept. 1841, and she married a Joseph Wells. Permilia & Joseph Wells had 4 children. The only other information I have on Elias Moore is in the Illinois Land Sales Records. He purchased several parcels of land in Washington County (all in the same range) in 1833, 1837, 1838 and 1839--the years he would have been married to Permilia. In 2 of those records he is listed as Elias C. Moore. I supposed the possibility exists that there were 2 different people here, Elias and Elias C. I can't prove otherwise. As I said, I don't have a birth date on Elias. However, Permilia was born in 1818, so the Elias B. Moore mentioned in the June 4 Newsletter entry, b. in 1751, was probably too old for her, but he may have had a son named Elias. I'm grasping at straws now. The name Elias doesn't show up very often in Moore records, and there is hardly any mention of Illinois. But I'll keep trying until I get something. It's really strange how these "dead people" (as my husband puts it) can get such a grasp on you. I can imagine Elias & Permilia as young people raising their family, and I feel I know them. I've heard stories of Permilia since I was a child and even have a pencil drawing of her. I really want to know more about Elias. He was only a part of our family for about a 5-year period, but I still have his blood in my veins. [Editor's Note: Eleanor may not have intended for me to circulate the last paragraph in her letter, but I did. She has succinctly described the fascination, the passion if you will, that a good family historian possesses when trying to reconstruct her family -- her own history.) RESPONSES A few weeks ago, JUDY WARREN VASILIAUSKAS (JudyVas@aol.com) submitted information about her gggg grandfather, Patrick Moore of Ireland, b. about 1756. Her Query generated the below responses. Hopefully, all involved are now busily discussing and comparing notes on their way to establishing a good partnering effort to expand their knowledge about their Moore families. (VHOWERY@aol.com) *****I have a line of Moores who I hope will connect in to the VA Moores. My 4th great Patrick Moore was born in Ireland in about 1768 and apparently came in to USA in Va. He married Elizabeth Mullins from Va in the later part of 1780s. The first child Hugh was born in Va. They then migrated to the area of Abbeville SC where they lived and had 7 more children. They were Winny Lucinda b. 1792, Nancy b. 1795, Robert (my line) 1797, William b.1800, Betsy b. 1803, Patrick b. 1804 and Alfred b. 1806. Somewhere between Alfred b. 1806 and John b. 1808, they moved to Smiith Co Tn. where Mary b. 1811, Martha Ellen b. 1815 and Elijah James b. 1817. Apparently, Patrick died in June 1836 in Smith Co Tn and his wife Elizabeth Mullins Moore died July 1837. Robert migrated to Osage Co Mo along with his wife Lydia Ann Powers. Their offspring included Abigail b.1822 , Patsy Ellen b 1826, Robert b. 1827 Artamecha died young b about 1829, Joseph and Willaim both died as infants bd unknown, James ( my line) b1833 , Dolly b 1834 died young, John b 1835, Elisa C b. 1840-42 (married David Mantle - great grandparents to 'the' Mickey Mantle). Moses b 1843, Lucy Ann b 1847. I have the descendants to my line to my grandchildren. - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - [Editor's Note: A response from PAT JOHNS (Patjohns13@aol.com) to Judy's query has produced more information. At least four people working together now because of Judy's inquiry of just a couple of weeks ago. This is a splendid example of what can happen when we combine our efforts.] KAY (Kwkgat@aol.com) ****The query to Moore News piqued my curiosity because there is probably some connection to my Moore family, although there are admittedly more questions than answers. Please understand that this information came from a second cousin, but that it is accepted by the DAR. 1.......Patrick Moore b. Ireland 2.........Robert Moore b. c. 1750, maybe Columbia, S.C., d. 15-Mar-1781 Battle of Guilford Court House, N.C. m. Bettie Scissom or Scisson (Robert was an ensign, then captain, then ensign of the NC 9th Militia) 3...........Robert, b. Moore Co., N.C 3...........John, b. c. 1772 Moore Co., N.C. d. 1862, MS, m. Mary Richardson b. 1775, N.C. (Moore Co.) d. 1863 MS 4.....Robert, b. 1803 4.....Stephen R(ichardson?), b. 8-Jul-1805, m. Lucy McDougal 1828, Lauderdale Co. Stephen d. 26-Apr-1863, Union Prison, Alton, IL. 4.....John 4.....Hugh 4.....Elizabeth m. Alfred M. Carroll prob. in NC (my Moore connection) 4.....Mary 4.....Nancy 3...........Fanning (stayed in N.C.) The rest of the story is a little more complicated. After Robert Moore died in battle his family stayed in Moore Co NC. His son, John married Mary Richardson c. 1798-1800. She was the daughter of Stephen Richardson who apparently led a family expedition to move to northern Alabama. He died along the way, probably in Tennessee in 1821-1822. This is documented by a letter from Hiram Richardson to H.R. Moore - 1884. (Is this the Horatio R. Moore mentioned in your query?) This extended family group carried many Moore Co. and N.C. surnames in addition to Richardson and Moore: Carroll, Stutts, McGee, etc. All of Stephen's children made the move. Apparently, so did John Moore's brother, Robert, but the third brother, Fanning stayed in N.C. After this, some family members moved on, to northern Mississippi - Tishamingo, Prentiss, Boone Counties. I'm not sure if or how your James fits into this picture, but maybe you can figure it out and let me know. I'm guessing that he is part of this family, but probably a grandson (by another son) or nephew of Patrick. Useful source on Moore Co., ....Wicker......."Ancient Misc. Records of Moore Co." Also, some people descended from Stephen R. Moore are members of the DAR so information may be available from that group. COLONIAL MOORES The search has already been launched for the English origins of the Moore family who arrived early to the Chesapeake Bay. Hint: It begins to appear that River of Swans (Potomac) was aptly named by the native population before the English Moores reached these shores. This English Moore family appears also to have ties to Ireland and the Atlantic Islands. The next report on the Chesapeake Moores will begin a presentation of the early James River Moore families: John who arrived in 1620, Joseph who arrived a few years later, Richard who arrived in 1637, Henry and George who followed close behind, and their descendants. From there, we will proceed to the discovery of the early Moores of the York, Rappahannock, and Potomac basins. In preparation for these coming presentations, the below excerpt help by setting the stage for us, particularly as we remember that Thomas Rolfe, son of John Rolfe and the Princess Pocohuntas, may have accompanied Thomas Moore on a return trip from England in 1657. SOURCE: "The James." Blair Niles; Farrar and Rinehart, New York; 1939 Chapter: Immigrants [John] Rolfe left his little son to be brought up in England and sailed alone to James River [after the death of his wife, Pocohuntas, in England.] He was now [ca 1618] become a great man in the colony. With Pocahontas he had been entertained by persons of quality, actually received by their Majesties; he was secretary of the colony, and he had developed a Virginia tobacco which could compete with the Spanish product. Even the London gallants who had refused to smoke any but the 'right stuff' were now willing to use Virginia tobacco. There was comfort for Rolfe in the knowledge that it was he who had done this for Jamestown. What was needed now were laborers. That was the problem upon which Rolfe -- the original of North America's founders of industry -- must meditate as he smoked. At that time in England, the poor were so poor that if an entire family toiled from morning until night throughout all the days of their lives the most they could hope for was to live on brown bread and cheese. There were many who must starve for lack of work, and the horde of vagabonds was so great that people were forbidden to move from one parish to another without official permission, and destitution had driven homeless children upon the streets. In Virginia, Rolfe was thinking that the tobacco plantations needed laborers; not skilled workers, but merely hands. (To be continued in Issue No. 32) RESEARCH JACK MOORE (Jacknbetty@aol.com) *****I found this clipping in the Antique Weekiy some time ago and thought it might be interesting for the readers. This bit of info is attributed to the October 1966 Mennonite Family History: ---- "Next time you are feeling rather unimportant, try a little arithmetic trick based on the undebatable fact that it took two people, your parents, to get you here. Each of your parents has two parents, so in the generation just prior to that of your mother and father, there are four people whose pairing off and sharing love contributed to you existence. You are the product of eight great-grandparents, 16 great-great grandparents. 32 great-great-great grandparents, etc. Keep on multiplying the number by two. "If you figure an average of about 25 years between each generation, you'll discover that in a scant 500 years ago, there were 1,048,576 people on this planet beginning the production of you. Of course this figure could decrease in any number of ways." Do you figure better now, or can you feel the pressure to try getting them all on your computer program? Well we have to start somewhere ! - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - EILEEN CUPPOLA ( E5jc6@aol.com) *****Found these marriages listed on ----- http:// www.ancestry.com/ "Ancestry Home Town", Genealogy Library. I pulled all the MOORE's they had listed for Virginia and the Colonial period. Check it out for yourself. ..........Sussex Co. Virginia April 11,1774---Sarah Moore and James Chambliss(d/o of Thomas) ..........York Co. Virginia March 22,1784---Frances Moore(widow) and Gideon Johnstown May 2,1786---Elizabeth Moore and John Taylor Aug. 20,1788---William Moore and Frances Baptist ...........Amelia Co. Virginia June 1811---Abel Moore and Nancy Finney ..........Rockbridge Co. Virginia Performed by Rev. J. Brown Dec. 14,1785---J. Moore and Jennie Steel Feb. 17,1793---Daniel Moore and Martha Barnett ..........Augusta Co. Virginia Male Surnames Only (don't ask) July 30,1759---Jasper Moore Nov. 18,1761---Moses Moore ..........Westmoreland Co. Virginia April 2,1789---George Moore and Mary Sutton(d/o of Richard) Dec. 31,1793---Lawson Moore and Betsy Rochester Sept. 11,1792---Stephen Moore and Sally Butler Sept. 25,1792---Reuben Moore and Charlotte Thomas Dec. 13,1801----George Moore and Hannah Smith(d/o of John) Dec. 30,1804----Starks Moore and Fanny Annandale Oct. 18,1809----William Moore and Hannah Beale March 12,1818---Vincent Moore and Polly Wroe May 20,1822----Elizabeth Moore and Jeremiah Lewis Dec. 23,1824----Mary Moore and Richard Coleman This is my way of saying Thanks to all MOORE researchers of whom I have benefited from in the past. Wish it was more.