MOORE NEWS Volume II July 2, 1997 Issue 32-Part B (Continued from No. 32-Part A) RESPONSES TERRI O'NEILL (kon646@airmail.net) *****Thanks for sending information about PA Moores, 'cause they're sure part of mine. That Nova Scotia bunch is a branch I haven't done much work on, so it's great to have a contact. Having just caught up on some of the back issues (and congratulations on the 1 year anniversary of MOORE NEWS & continued success with it!), ple-e-ease make a correction to Issue #27, 4 June 1997: I am NOT connected to Gov. JAMES Moore of SC, but Hon. JOHN Moore of SC & PA. [Sorry, Terri - my mistake -- JB] Now, here's an interesting bit of information that just came my way. In my last issue of the "Moore/Stanford/Webb Chronicles", I abstracted some NY Customs Entry records that showed that John Moore (1686-1749) of NY was a part owner of the ship "Beaver" in 1716; John Moore was apprenticed to Stephen DeLancey and later became his business partner in shipping; John Moore and Stephen DeLancey were appointed by the NY Council to acquire a fire engine for the City in 1731. Taking those three bits of information, Maxine Moore of Timberlake, NC, connected them to a book she had recently acquired which stated that the first fire engine for the city of NY arrived from London in 1731 aboard the ship "Beaver"! The book is "As You Pass By" by Kenneth H. Dunshee. It makes perfect sense that John Moore would have used his own ship to bring over the engine, but it never occurred to me to look for that information, so I'm glad Maxine put 2 & 2 together. The Chesapeake research is so interesting. It seems you're really making progress with it, which is thrilling. Keep going! - - - - - - - - - - - - - - BILL MOORE (Du Willy@aol.com) responds to EILEEN CUPPOLA ( E5jc6@aol.com) *****Thank you for the marriages you listed in the MOORE NEWS. I found the post about J (John) Moore and Jennie Steel most helpful. John was the son John Moore and Jane Walker and I had never been able to discover his wife's first name or the date of the marriage. I knew her last name was Steel and that they were living in Rockbridge County, but did not know when they married. Now I do, and I even know that Rev J. Brown did the honors. - - - - - - - - - - - - - - [Editor's Note: The address of the writer of the below message did not transfer. Please let me know what it is so I can publish it in the next issue. Thanks, and I apologize for the glitch.] WILLIAM LAFAYETTE MOORE responds to PATT FULTON ( PattFulton@aol.com) *****I noticed your inquiry this morning and I may have some useful information. In my Moore family tree there is a James Moore (b.1711 married Jane Walker in 1734 and died in 1793 in Rockbridge County Va.) They had several children but for now, lets concentrate on Samuel Moore of whom we have no information We do know that he had a brother John b.1735 and married Jane Walker (Cousin to Jane Walker his mother). He may have also married Mary Ann Ellett, but in any case he had several children including Elias B. Moore Sr. b.1751( who is my ancestor), William Moore, Samuel Moore who fought and died in the Revolutionary War also. This Samuel Moore, son of James Moore, could be the father of your Samuel Moore who was born on July 14,1761. The ages would correspond roughly to those of his brother, John and his son Elias. If this helps you figure out how the Moores got to Kentucky, let me know as I have a whole lot of Cousins on the eastern slopes that you need to know about. - - - - - - - - - - - - - - (Frekkles32@aol.com) *****While reading MOORE NEWS on what is coming up next week, I saw the blip about John Moore from England who settled in Sudbury, MA who married Elizabeth Whale. Elizabeth Whale is John's second wife. I am a descendant of h im and his first wife, also named Elizabeth. They had 2 children - Elizabeth who married Henry Rice, Jr and John who married Ann Smith. My line comes from John & Ann. In most of the newsletters I've read, there is only mention of John Moore marrying Elizabeth Whale. I am curious if anyone has any information on John and his first wife and their children. [Editor's Note: An Moore/Wale marriage has also be noted in Shropshire, England.] - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - JOYCE BROWNING (JBrown7169@aol.com) Research of the early Chesapeake Moores being carried out by MOORE NEWS is the first known attempt to fully define these early Moore families, segregate them into family units, and relate them to their English heritage. It now appears that these early Virginia Moores and little Richard More of Massachusetts were representatives of the same English family in Shropshire. See Issue 28, dated 7 Jun 3 1997 for a review of some of the findings that have already emerged. Below, shortened, but otherwise unedited, is a biography of Richard More of Massachusetts discovered while surfing the net. Young Richard More's biological father is believed to have been Jacob Blakeway, also of Shropshire. *****Richard More has a very interesting history. He is the only Mayflower passenger with proven Royal ancestry. His siblings Jasper, Ellen, and Mary came with him on the Mayflower and all but Richard died the first winter. The interesting story of the More children can be read in a series of three articles found in the "Mayflower Descendant," volumes 43 and 44. As with all Royal ancestry,his lines can be taken back further to ancient pre-midevil kings. However, all Royal genealogies are inherently tentative, because of the scarcity and age of the records, the sexual promiscuity of the Royal families (i.e. do you really know who the father was?), and the desire for people to alter or twist the records in an attempt to prove their royal blood. Here is the ancestry of the More family, as far as known. Katherine More, mother of Richard More of the Mayflower, is the daughter of Jasper More (1547-1613) and Elizabeth Smalley. Jasper More's father was Thomas More, of Larden, Shropshire, England. Thomas More died in 1567. The father of Thomas More is Edward More of Larden, Shropshire, England. The father of Edward More is William More of Larden, who was living in 1500. Richard More of the Mayflower had three siblings that came on the Mayflower. They were Elinor More, bp. 24 May 1612, Shipton, Shropshire, England; Jasper More, bp. 8 August 1613, Shipton, Shropshire, England; and Mary More, bp. 16 April 1616, Shipton, Shropshire, England. William Bradford calls Mary More "a boy" by accident in his passenger list. Since Mary died the first winter, and Bradford wrote his list of the 100+ passengers thirty years later, young girls and boys dressed alike in those days, and Bradford didn't know the family prior to the Mayflower's departure, his error is understandable. Richard More married 1) Christian Hunt(er), 20 October 1636, Plymouth, MA; and 2) Jane (---) Crumpton, Salem, MA. Children: (all by Christian): 1. Samuel (bp. 6 March 1641/2, Salem, MA; d. aft. 1650; m. unknown) 2. Thomas (bp. 6 March 1641/2, Salem, MA; d. aft. 1650; m. unknown) 3. Caleb (bp. 31 March 1643/4; d. 4 January 1678/9, Salem, MA; m. unmarried) 4. Joshua (bp. 3 May 1646, Salem, MA; d. aft. 1650; m. unknown) 5. Richard (bp. 2 January 1647/8, Salem, MA; d. aft 1 May 1696; m. Sarah _?_, before 1673) 6. Susanna (bp. 12 May 1650, Salem, MA; d. after 30 October 1728; m 1). Samuel Dutch, c1675, prob. Salem, MA; m 20 Richard Hutton, between Jul 1693 and Jan 1695/6) 7. Christian (bp. 5 September 1652, Salem, MA; d. 30 May 1680, Salem, MA; m. Joshua Conant, 31 August 1676, Salem, MA) - - - - - - - - - Above, note that the grandmother of Richard More of Massachusetts was Elizabeth Smalley, wife of Jasper More. It seems to be no coincidence that the following will has been found in Virginia, where Richard Moore is also a prominent and frequent name, as it also is in Shropshire, England. This is one example of interrelationships that are appearing as we deepen the focus in the search of these early Moore families. *****Will of Captain Robert Smallay of Bermoda (sic) Hundred. Will 19 Dec 1617; proved 15 November 1621 [probably killed in the massacre]. My man Christopher Hardyn. My man Thomas Chapman. My man Richard Kyes. My man Thomas Oge. Wife Elizabeth. Mr. Prokter. Sir Thomas Dale. Captain Samuel Argall, now Gov. of Virginia. Ltr. Bartlett. Administration and it granted to wife Elizabeth. (Text Note: This will of special interest because it is earliest known will which includes a bequest of land in VA owned by an individual. In 1614 or 1615, says Hamor: "Dale hat allotted to every man three English acres." Capt. Smalley commanded at Henrico in the absence of chief officer, Captain Davis.) [Source: Virginia Gleanings in England. Lothrop Withington. Genealogical Publishing Co, Inc. 1980] COLONIAL MOORES (Continued from Issue No. 31) SOURCE: "The James." Blair Niles; Farrar and Rinehart, New York; 1939 *****Meanwhile the city of London gathered together a hundred homeless children and shipped them to James River, to be bound out as apprentices to serve the planters; the boys until they were twenty-one, and the girls for an equal period, unless in the meantime they married. At the expiration of their service they were to be placed as tenants on the public lands, and provided with houses, cattle, and a supply of corn -- free men with a chance to make a life for themselves. Talk of opportunity in the New World went back to England. And those who found it difficult to earn even brown bread and cheese began to think of that waiting opportunity. But how were they -- the poor -- to get to Virginia? There was but one way: they could voluntarily bind themselves out for a term of years, going as indentured servants. They might trade four years of liberty for this opportunity. Tobacco . . . tobacco, people said, was gold: men could buy anything with tobacco. Thus, many sailed as indentured servants, and many others took their all and bought passage to Virginia. The gentry, too, and younger sons of the nobility left the past and sailed away into the future. . . . So it was that Rolfe saw the forest cleared and plantations opened up and down the river. At Jamestown wooden houses stood in two neat rows; there were three stores framed together and Mrs. Jane Pierce was boasting of the fine figs in her garden. In England King James had beheaded Sir Walter Raleigh. But for Raleigh there might have been no Virginia colony, yet he had been beheaded. People said he had asked to smoke a pipe of tobacco in that last terrible hour before he went to the block. In the same year old Powhatan died and Opekankano succeeded him, but his death seemed not to affect that peace with the Indians which had scarcely been disturbed since the day Rolfe married Pocahontas. Still it was necessary to maintain a strong palisade around Jamestown, and in case of need guns might be fired from the church tower. In this period of prosperity Rolfe let his eyes dwell upon Mrs. Pierce's young daughter Jane. She would be a worthy match, for no man was more respected in the colony than her father; her mother was a notable housewife, and of all the houses in Virginia none compared with the Pierce house in Jamestown. Rolfe had something new to dream of while he smoked; Jane would make some man a good wife. For Rolfe to dream was to act. Then in the year 1619 much of importance happened in Virginia. In July the first legislative body ever assembled in America met in the Jamestown church: it consisted of a Council appointed in London, and a House of burgesses made up of elected representatives from boroughs which extended now for seventy miles along both banks of the James. So was democracy born in the British New World. RESEARCH PATTI MOORE LININGER (pvlininger@juno.com) *****I got so fed up at not being able to get anything resembling genealogy at our local Library, I checked out that Masked man by Clayton Moore since I have both Claytons and Moores in my family. Besides being a good book there was a little of his genealogy in the book so I thought I would pass it on to the Moores. Clayton Moore was born John Carlton Moore (always called Jack) September 14, 1914 on the west side of Chicago. A mistake on birth certificate, spelt his middle name Carlson. He got the Carlton from a cousin, the son of his Dad's sister. His parents were Sprague C. Moore and Theresa Violet Fisher, a brother, Sprague, 4 years older, and brother, Howard, 9 mo. younger He went to stay with a great Aunt in Daytona Beach Florida, with whom his father had also lived, to finish up his high school. His ancestors came from England on the Good Ship Anne in 1623 hope this will help someone with that line of Moores I'm looking for John Moore 1896 PA who married Susanna, born 1806 VA. Possible last name for Susanna. ( Mouser or Lowery). 7 children born Ohio - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - JUDY CARDWELL (JudySCard@aol.com) *****I am studying the Bonner family in connection with my Banner family and have a will of Thomas Bonner, 1756, Bertie County, NC that mentions a daughter Esther marrying a MORE and it is witnessed by Arthur MOOR. This may be of help to someone in the group: --------------------------------------------- Husband: Thomas Bonner - Death: Before 1756 Place: Bertie Co.,NC Wife: Elizabeth ?? ---------------------------------